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jws hassle 3 yr old

by Blackcat in

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seems the jws are getting desprate for recruits, an article from a localpaper....... http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/story3.html thought you all would be interested!

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I feel the main points here are that:
(1)strangers went into a person's yard uninvited and
(2)started talking to very young children, 3 and 8
(3)about a subject that is the parents' responsibility and business to decide for their children
(4)and left without any attempt to converse with the parents

This situation was handled badly by the JWs and they deserve the bad press they are getting.

I too love to talk to children, but am careful not to get involved in what could be misinterpreted by a child or an onlooking adult, so I choose to talk to them when they are around their parents.

I wouldn't want to cause any confusion or conflict in the child's mind that has been warned by it's parents not to talk to strangers by starting up a conversation, especially about a controversial subject as religion. What business is it of anyone's to infringe on a parent's rights to teach their little child what they feel is right for them?

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jws hassle 3 yr old

by Blackcat in

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seems the jws are getting desprate for recruits, an article from a localpaper....... http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/story3.html thought you all would be interested!

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Had Enough

Just a quick thought!

How would a JW parent feel if their 3 yr.old and 8 yr.old were approached in their own yard, by a Moonie, Hari Krishna or follower of David Koresh or Jim Jones and given pamphlets or whatever? [>:(]

I 'm sure most typical parents would react like she-bears with claws out ready to protect their young from "evil".

I wonder too why the JW's didn't go on past the children to talk to the adult(s) in the house. Wouldn't that have been "more productive" service-wise? Easy way out or what?

Had Enough

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I got my nerve up, gonna try this again!

by LostMyReligion in

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i first posted to this board as "truman" about 2 months ago.

it was a time of deep depression, confusion, fear, and paranoia for me, as i had just 3 weeks before discovered that everything i had believed for 27 years was only a pipe dream.. everyone was very welcoming, but after only a few posts, i got so afraid i had to stop.

i was fearful of revealing too much, being somehow discovered, and of the possibility of saying the wrong thing, incurring the ire of my betters here.

Had Enough

Greetings and Welcome LMR!

As I was reading your story I felt as though I was reading my own all over again.

I too started to post hear about 2 months ago and fought a lot of fear to make myself do it. Once I did, and so many warm welcomes and good wishes were sent my way, I sighed a deep sigh of relief and have experienced so much satisfaction at being able to express myself, my true inner opinions and feelings for the first time.

I am in the same position as you family-wise...with one a strong active JW daughter(but married) and one son having experienced the same kind of disappointment from the elders, feeling never good enough. He is now da'd and not associating. I have yet though to discuss with either of them what I have found out and have had to take care not to say too much here about myself. I don't want my family to be put in the position to have to shun me if I was ever df'd for, God forbid, "having an opinion" contrary to what 'Big Brother' says

I am taking the advice given here to take it slow and subtle and gathering as much ammunition as I can.

My first exposure to the real facts about the borg. was from Ray Franz's book Crisis of Conscience, which practically brought me to my knees. Like you, it felt like my whole world crashed down around me, everything I had ever believed in, my whole foundation, just turned to dust and blew away, leaving me reeling in confusion.

And much the same way as you did, once I found the first website, that one lead to others and then to here.

Slowly, through the sound, mature, encouraging postings and the wealth of knowledge many have shared from their vast exploration of the WTS publications and the experiences so many have shared, I am starting to gain my strength back.

I no longer go to the meetings, but still do go to DAs and CAs to help my family with our aging parent but this time, I know, this coming DA is going to be sheer torture for me but I have more that I will say on that later.

Again, it was good to read your story and feel a kindred spirit with you. I look forward to "seeing" more from you.

Had Enough

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The Mexican Scandal

by Kent in

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the mexican scandal is well known, but the documents are not.

take a look at http://watchtower.observer.org.

i have published scanned documents, letter from the branch office in mexico, from the watchtower, and from the society's representative in mexico.. this should wake up a few jehovah's witnesses, i guess.. kent

Had Enough

To Norm:

I appreciate your explanation for the documents seeming unreal due to the scanning. Even if the misplaced periods or commas and detached letter or two were not due to scanning, they still do seem real to me anyway, as the documents with the errors came from the congregations or the brother submitting a zone report to the WTS and these letters also wouldn't be on WTS letterhead.

The letter from the WTS headquarters was on letterhead and, as we would expect, did not have spelling or typing errors. Their letters always seem to leave their offices in a very efficient and perfect manner.

These documents also seem truly authentic since they are also in Ray's C of C book as documents he had in his records to be able to tell us about this in the first place.

I am extremely happy Kent has put these on his website for those, who don't have Ray's book, to see. Thanks for your interest in helping to present these facts for all to see and believe.

I truly wonder how JWs could see these facts and not see the hypocrisy of those supposedly taking the lead in providing the sheep with "care and feeding". I truly hope more eyes will be opened as these kind of things are made public on the websites of those dedicated to exposing the WTS for what it really is doing.

Had Enough

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escapefromwatchtower.com site

by sf in

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hi peeps,.

i can't believe i've not happened upon this site before:> .

http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/.

Had Enough

Hello Amazing:

I'm glad you told us that the article "How I helped my Family Leave Jehovah's Witnesses" was written by you.

I came across that article over a month ago and saved it to my favourites.

I thought that your reasoning with your family was an excellent way to help them to see for themselves what falsehoods and inconsistences are in the WTS teachings, publications and attitudes. Even though a Bethelite said a week ago, "they don't have rules, just have principles", we all know what a lie that is.

I appreciate so much they way you handled the situation because we all know what happens to JWs when someone tries to tell them what is wrong....they close their ears and their minds...all truth and sensiblilty is lost..sometimes for good.

I also have suggested the web address to your article in several postings I made here, to ones who were seeking help on how to talk to their loved ones. So now I am glad to know that was your story. It is helping me to try to prepare for the times I may be able to talk to my family.

Thank you again for all your very informative and interesting posts.

Had Enough

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Pictures????....how do you do it???

by digderidoo in

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okay .... call me computer illiterate.. but, how do you post a picture on a thread?...

i have an idea, but still can't get it.. yours dig.

ordinary people just like you and me.... we're the keepers of our destiny...

Had Enough

Hi digderidoo:

I looked at your URL and you forgot the www. after http://

Try again. It should work this time.

Had Enough

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Sydney BBQ Report

by ozziepost in

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everyone was there...well, at least some of the fun-loving ex-jw posters were there amongst the gathering.

a few sheilas joined in knocking back some tinnies.

silly bugger dropped one bottle.

Had Enough

G'day to you Ozzie and all you Aussie posters!

I too understood your lingo thanks to Lessons 1-6 and Crocodile Dundee.

So glad you had a successful and fun BBQ and the rain held off.. Nice to have a BBQ in the winter. We have to wear a parka and mitts and boots to BBQ in our winters here in Canuckland but we do it regularly anyway.

Cheers to youse all!

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The Mexican Scandal

by Kent in

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the mexican scandal is well known, but the documents are not.

take a look at http://watchtower.observer.org.

i have published scanned documents, letter from the branch office in mexico, from the watchtower, and from the society's representative in mexico.. this should wake up a few jehovah's witnesses, i guess.. kent

Had Enough

As for any questions on whether these documents appear authentic and should be on letterhead or not and have typos and spelling errors, I too am very interested.

Therefore, I looked again closely at the documents on Kent's page and noticed that the first 4 documents were written to the Watchtower Society and therefore would not be on Society letterhead.

As for typos and spelling errors ....any in the document themselves could be understandable being written by brothers submitting zone reports to the HQ and writing to ask questions.

The 5th document is on HQ letterhead and is WTS's answer to their situation. This same document appears in Ray's book and looks authentic to me.

The 6th, 7th and 8th documents again are written to the HQ asking questions of the GB and have typo errors, again not unlikely.

So I am satisfied that these documents, also found in Ray's C of C book, look authentic and I am happy to see them on the website for many more to view.

Had Enough

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The Mexican Scandal

by Kent in

jw
friends

the mexican scandal is well known, but the documents are not.

take a look at http://watchtower.observer.org.

i have published scanned documents, letter from the branch office in mexico, from the watchtower, and from the society's representative in mexico.. this should wake up a few jehovah's witnesses, i guess.. kent

Had Enough

Hello Kent:

Thanks for posting that document on your site and for informing us here. That's what I was looking for in my post a few pages back on Friday in "Question: Anymore Info on Mexico/Malawi?" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5971&site=3

That's such an important piece of fact that needs to be known by all. I didn't know about the whole situation in Mexico at all until I read about in Ray's book and it really struck home to me how two-faced the org is. When it suits them to promote martyrism, then push a Malawi incident. But when it would suit their efforts better to not make waves, then allow a Mexico situation.

The lives lost for the borg's cause is repugnant to say the least.

Thank you for all your work in producing the truth about the org. that so many of us blindly put all our trust in for so long.

Had Enough

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Question: Any Other Info on Mexico/Malawi?

by Had Enough in

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hello all:.

on a previous post i read in the past couple of days, someone asked if there was any other sites posting info on the mexico/malawi fiasco as told to us in the c of c book.

i can't find that post to see if anyone answered it, and i have looked at the few other sites like freeminds and watchtower observer for any info but couldn't find any.. does anyone know of any references, either here or at other sites, to this subject?.

Had Enough

Thanks hawkaw:

That site helps alot.

Had Enough